MacDonald: The WMC was based in large part on role, but some of it was developmental as well. Some of it was the opportunity for people coming up through the ranks to have exposure to that level of insight. We found another way of creating development. We replaced the Senior Leadership Team with what we call the Integration & Values Team. Again, role based, but also performance based, but also leadership behavioral based. So three criteria. It’s all about saying that if you’re on this team, you have a role that truly has the ability to integrate IBM on an enterprise-wide basis. And you are a recognized leader—one of the top 300 or 320 who have behavioral characteristics that represent our values. Those are defined as dedication to every client’s success, innovation, and trust and personal responsibility. : [% R( e2 D U0 q
WM: What about the results so far? I noticed in your 2006 financial results you had a 4 percent improvement in revenue, and income from continuing operations up 18 percent.
- J9 F5 b) T' ~+ p MacDonald: We would describe 2006 as a solid performance. I would argue that the Performance Team last year on several occasions found that by having exchanged information and talking about lessons learned, we enhanced performance. 9 c7 e$ A3 e1 W+ b6 F0 X- \
WM: Can you give me an example?4 _7 I& a. I# Y+ x1 ~
MacDonald: A good example is that quite often hardware—the zSeries computer server team, for example—is working with a client, and we talk about how we might attach software or middleware to selling the server. Because the combination of the two, because of the ability to pull things together, gives the client a better cost point and gives us a greater share of their IT spend.& _+ ~5 h L2 W3 Z: `' {! ~' y( m
WM: For decades IBM was known for grooming senior leaders from within. What’s the ideal mix of insiders and external recruits at the executive level at IBM today?4 X- Z# T7 y6 V: ^
MacDonald: We don’t have any particular formula that says for every three people internally we need one from the outside. We evaluate the quality of the internal candidate we have. And I think it is incumbent upon senior-level people today to ensure that there may not be any more capable individuals externally.
, e0 a3 B a" u6 Y( D% c We do a great deal of development work over time, and so we really understand what the skill sets are of the vast majority of the senior leaders here. Shame on us if for some reason, at the very end, we may not have somebody who fits that bill. I think those roles are few and far between.9 s7 Y! ]% c! r$ }4 Y5 S
The vast majority of people who are fulfilling roles at the top 50 level, the vast majority of those line people, come from IBM internally. Several of our functional leaders—myself as an example, our general counsel is another example—came in from the outside. These are transferable skills. There are some places where the blend of the internal and the external is the perfect match because it seeds the organization for innovation, and we think about things differently.
( o! r: }3 P2 s* q P4 w WM: Are we talking about 40 or so out of the top 50 are internal IBM folks?6 s2 c& q7 Z9 V }3 ~# L
MacDonald: I’d say somewhere between 15 and 20 percent came from the outside.1 n; Y4 K5 H3 d
WM: What in IBM’s approach to executive leadership differs from other large organizations?
; ]4 n$ T9 v+ x/ Y1 y MacDonald: We switched about five years ago our view about how we train leaders. We have decided that the vast majority of training has to be experiential. A lot of people still believe in classroom training and sending people to Harvard. They’re good, and we do some of that. What we really are looking for are the practical, differentiating experiences on a day-to-day basis. + G! f- }, m( g, @5 h$ d, I
For instance, using the IVT [Integration & Values Team], last year we commissioned three different teams of about 30 people each to go look at three defined, practical problems we were facing. One was how do we add client value? The second one was how do we get a greater share of the small and medium business market? The third was how do we create a globally integrated approach to management and executive leadership teams throughout the world?* B( P* e" U, L Y3 U& C" x0 ^7 d
We took 90 people out of the IVT, some of whom were subject-matter experts, and some who had no clue as to what they were on that team for. But that’s exactly why they were on that team—to bring a different perspective. ! |" l; r, E' f! |
The second differentiation is that we are now much more engaged in identifying emerging leaders even earlier. For many years, a lot of companies, including IBM, did a good job of once you became a leader, we really trained you and we built on you and we laid all the foundational pieces. But we’ve come to the conclusion that we need to find you early in your career at IBM and then build that foundational piece around leadership—so that when we thrust you into running a small team, you are ready. You aren’t learning under fire. You have the basics. " \% U# M& u; ?8 _# w/ X
WM: How early are we talking about, Randy?
. D% [) m1 A; q: Z3 A; h3 o+ j MacDonald: You’re probably being identified within the first five years of your career within IBM. . Q- ^. j2 u/ r; M9 ^) A( b" v2 n" a
WM: That gets at an issue that Fred Foulkes at Boston University suggested I ask you about. He said that one blind spot at IBM historically has been the difficulty of getting younger people—say in their mid-30s—opportunities to run a division with profit-and-loss responsibility. He said the way IBM has been structured, people had a better chance to do that at Hewlett-Packard or Johnson & Johnson, whereas you had to wait until you were in your 40s or 50s at IBM. How would you respond?3 Q: C$ _& T! c) {9 v% n
MacDonald: Well, Fred is a personal friend. So I will be dropping him from that category. No, seriously, I have two reactions. What Fred described is indeed something that did occur. I will stay away from age for obvious reasons. But I will argue that our people who are 10 to 15 years into their career at IBM are having greater opportunity to run geographic businesses. For example, I can think of a woman who is running all of Spain who would fit my 15-year approach. I can think of another couple people who are in the 15- to 20-year category who are running enormous businesses now.
* ]# ^& p' W( X2 H! F; M We are not going to be paramilitary. That is, you have to be a private, then a corporal, then a sergeant, then a master sergeant. I think we are willing to jump people to take opportunities and stretch them. Take a chance. If you’re going to build a risk culture—a strategic or prudent risk culture—into the organization, one of the ways you’re going to do that is through taking chances with up-and-coming leaders.